Module talk:AlternateRecipesTable

Questionable Accuracy of Prerequisites
Pure Caterium Ingot is listed here with Oil Processing as a prerequisite, but I unlocked it in an unmodded game while still in Tier 3/4. Most likely, the actual prerequisite is Coal Power, similar to the Pure Iron and Copper Ingot alternate recipes.

There are a number of other alternate recipes whose listed prerequisites I now consider suspect. For example, Diluted Packaged Fuel lists Oil Processing as a prerequisite, but I think Alternative Fluid Transport is more likely. Electric Motor lists Aeronautical Engineering as a prereq but Nuclear Power is more likely. Several alt recipes list Quartz Crystals as a prereq although Crystal Oscillator is more likely. Unfortunately I don't know how to confirm or refute my suspicions, except by trial and error.

How were these prerequisites found, before they were loaded into the database? Do we know (or assume) that each alternate recipe has exactly those prerequisites that will unlock all of its ingredients and products? If so, then the database should be updated as noted above, and similarly for other alt recipes. Or, if the prerequisites were extracted from game data somehow, they should be re-extracted and reviewed since the Pure Caterium Ingot recipe's prereqs were found to be in error.

Syskill (talk) 20:05, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Syskill (talk) 02:41, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Found it — CommunityResources\Docs\Docs.json

ThomasGP (talk) 05:21, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * In early september 2022, I used that Docs.json to check the accuracy of the alt recipes. I looked into my local Docs.json from Build 188609, the most recent early access version back then. Three alt recipes had to be fixed (Heat-Fused Frame, Pure Caterium Ingot and Radio Connection Unit). Note: If you analyse the JSON structure, you will find an "mTechTier" attribute which is irrelevant for the prerequisites, since only milestones or MAM research can be prerequisites (I checked this ingame with a new session). Only the "mSchematicDependencies" attribute defines these prerequisites. That finding was also the source for my change on the prerequisites for the two "Inflated Pocket Dimension" unlocks you can get from the Hard Drives.


 * Some data in Docs.json is a remnant of pre-Update 3, where each alt recipe was a two-part unlock, appearing as a milestone in a specific tier. About the Pure Ingot Oil Processing prerequisite: this is kind of a fault of us not explaining it properly, but some prerequisites (which should be in italics) were such that required the alt to be actually usable rather than preventing from unlocking. It's undecided whether we want to keep including that for each recipe or just list prerequisites from Docs.json. --Ondar111 (talk) 08:03, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Interesting bit about the tier-unlock... I think the current Hard Drive page has all the info needed: besides the specific unlock prerequisites, there are generic conditions for an alt recipe to be usable (proper building available etc.). I do not think that this generic part should be repeated elsewhere - maybe it is just a wording issue with "prerequisite" on the item pages, the short column name should convey a meaning like "hard drive research result choice unlock prerequisite". --ThomasGP (talk) 09:13, 20 September 2022 (UTC)